then second, he said, the vision for the future is climate change and green energy. this is his new expansion of liberalism in the new century. martha: joined by bob beckel, former democratic campaign manager and co-host "the five." mary katharine ham editor-at-large of hotair.com and fox news contributor. welcome. a mini, five. it is a three. bob, what do you think about that, what charles said? >> something to be said about it. reaganism, reagan said the problem is government. martha: right. >> not the solution. yet government during reagan's eight years grew and not a single department or agency was cut. but listen, if this is fundamental difference. certain people believe that government doesn't do anything for people and ought to be just defense. and those of us on the left believe government has an important role to play. he did not say chip away at entitlements by the way, with all due respect to krauthamer. he is wrong about that. he didn't say, left himself an opening. he will change entitlements. it has to happen. that is not a fair statement to say. as far